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Posts: 2 06/05/09 14:47:26	Tags : None I am going through a hard time right now and need some answers. After finding out about my husband having a very low sperm count and that we couldn't conceive naturally we finally did an ivf cycle (please don't tell me ivf is against the Catholic faith - I don't believe this as I believe God gave us the knowledge to help my husband sperm and my egg meet and produce a baby). We got 9 eggs, out of which 6 were mature and icsi was done on all 6, 4 were successful fertilized, but by day 2 two out of the four embryos were dying. They put the other two in me and one took. Everything was going great. My betas were rising good and at 6w5d we were able to see our baby and see the heartbeat. I went back for my 2nd u/s yesterday at 8w6d and found out there was no heartbeat and my baby died shortly after the first u/s. They have me scheduled for a d&c next week so I am struck in this pregnant but not really pregnant state until then. Anyways I am just wondering how God can do this to us after all that we went through to try and have this baby when so many other people have babies that they don't want or take care of. If the soul enters at conception then that means all 4 of my embryos had souls, but 3 out of the 4 the soul only stated for a couple of days and the other one only a month. Why would a soul enter and then leave so soon? It doesn't make sense. Also I know that the church believes that babies that are unbaptized go to Limbo instead of heaven so does that mean my baby's soul (if it did have a soul) is there instead of in heaven with God. I don't think I can believe this. Please someone put my grieving heart to rest.
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Posts: 3958 06/05/09 15:12:59 ezOP	You have 4 children. All 4 have souls. Here comes the hard part, God did not do anything to you. God did not owe you anything because of your great effort. I am not trying to be mean or aything, I am speaking the truth from experience. I have 3 children who I carried in seperate pregnancies to the 8th month and then they died. I have twins who I miscarried at the end of the first tri-mester. These children are God's He created them and shared them with me for such a little while. His reasons are His own. God does not owe me a child or an explanation. It may not make sense to me, but it makes sense somewhere in GOd's plan. THe CHurch does not believe that unbaptized babies go to Limbo. It is a theory and was always taught as a theory. We entrust the unbaptized child to God's mercy. God knows what is best for those little ones. God wants all men to have salvation. If they were not born, so they could not be baptized, then it is plausible that GOd has a plan of salvation for these children that we know nothing about as it does not affect us. Suffice to say that while GOd created the sacraments, He is not bound by the sacraments. I am so sorry you are going through this grief. It is unfathomableto everyone else. It is a grief known only to you because whil I have lost children, I did not lose your child and that is a very unique relationship. THere are no words that can make it better. DEUS meus, ex toto corde amo Te super omnia, quia es infinite bonus et infinite amabilis; et ob amorem Tui proximum meum diligo sicut meipsum, eique, si quid in me offendit, ignosco.
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Argy Lacedom		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4030 06/06/09 17:22:34 Camper	I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. You have every right to grieve. And to ponder why all this happens. At one moment you are full of hopes and expectations, the next you feel like you're staring at an empty void. You didn't do anything wrong; sometimes things just happen like this and no one knows why for sure. It will take time to begin to feel normal again - it won't just happen overnight. I imagine you might also find yourself feeling depressed, lonely or even isolated. While these are normal emotions to feel after a traumatic loss, you may want to consider seeking the advice of your health care provider if they begin to interfere with your everyday activities. Your relationship with your partner might be particularly strained right now. Like you, he is also grieving over the loss of the pregnancy. As well, he is also grieving for you because he knows that this is a hard time for you. However, he may not be able to verbalise just what he is feeling, which can put stress on you and the relationship. If things last too long think about getting some professional help - I'm sure your health provider would be able to point you in the right direction. Just keep in mind that eventually the feelings will pass. What the question boils down to is this... Is a thing good because god commands it or does god command it because it is good? If the former, then the believer must accept that god could make murdering children good. If the latter, then the believer must accept that we have no need of god for moral instruction.
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