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ScottDStuart wrote:MN, I would say that the crucial factor to consider is the context. If, as you call it, "auditory hallucinations " were the only way God has communicated the Christian message to mankind, I would be inclined to agree with you. However, it is most certainly not.
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ScottDStuart wrote:Those are not equivalent questions, Gary. Not even close.
Jun 4 17 9:03 PM
Mass Noun wrote:Hi Scott. There is a significant difference in wondering whether there is something to the Jesus story, and auditory hallucinations. I do think that mental health professionals, with or without chip, would seek to understand the cause and do so by examining for certain conditions of which auditory hallucinations are symptomatic. Which doesn't necessarily entail mental illness. It's certainly a reasonable question to wonder why God would choose to communicate in a manner so easily mimicked by these other conditions.
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ScottDStuart wrote:The reason I say the two questions are not equivalent is that one is being asked by physicists and cosmologists because of the discoveries made in cosmology over the last 30 years. It is not merely a philosophical or even theological question any more. The second question is simply an abstract question which no one can answer.
I think the first question is the one you're referring to when you say it is the one "being asked by physicists and cosmologists because of the discoveries made in cosmology over the last 30 years". However, I have never heard it asked by a physicist before, except in a philosophical context.
To me, both questions address the same issue (I haven't said they are equivalent, that came from you). I say that because believers in a god will probably answer "god" to the first question and that leads directly and logically to the second.
Perhaps you are different. Perhaps you have an answer to the first question that is not "god". Whatever the case, do you have an answer to either question?
Jun 5 17 8:06 AM
Argy Lacedom wrote: The two questions I posed were:
Why is there something, rather than nothing? and[*]Why is there a god rather than no god?
Jun 5 17 8:22 AM
2. Because God is "I Am."
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Jun 5 17 1:02 PM
Argy, why God? Because without God nothing would exist!
Jun 5 17 1:14 PM
Let me ask, do you find that trying to use the "quick response" field messes up all the time.
Gary, you've never heard it asked by physicists? Really? I thought you were into physics?
Well, in any case, the fine tuning of the universe demonstrates that a
slight variation in any one of several universal constants, or several
physical phenomena would lead, not to a different universe or even just a
universe without us, it would lead to a universe without anything.
This is the reason for the question.
Jun 5 17 1:19 PM
ScottDStuart wrote:MN, yeah, I see why it seemed confusing. What I meant was, you asked why God would choose to communicate in a way that could be just a hallucination? I answer that because Christianity exists, and is based on evidence other than some individual, possibly questionable, experience, it provides a framework against which the experience can be gauged and understood. The Christian worldview allows for the possibility of just such an occurrence. I put it in the "possible but unlikely" category myself. But that is beside the point. From your POV it simply must be a hallucination, so how hard are you going to examine the circumstances, the person, the message to Determine wether it really came from God? From my POV on the other hand, failing any discovery of other attendant psychological or physical causes, and examining the content of the message to check its consistency with the Catholic doctrine, I have one more possible explanation than you have at your disposal. Specifically , that it really did, or could have, actually come from God.
Jun 5 17 1:35 PM
Midgiel952 wrote:Mass Noun wrote:Hi Scott. There is a significant difference in wondering whether there is something to the Jesus story, and auditory hallucinations. I do think that mental health professionals, with or without chip, would seek to understand the cause and do so by examining for certain conditions of which auditory hallucinations are symptomatic. Which doesn't necessarily entail mental illness. It's certainly a reasonable question to wonder why God would choose to communicate in a manner so easily mimicked by these other conditions.
MN, you have NO idea how much I would love for Jesus to speak to you as He did to Saul on the Road to Damascus! What a witness you would be for Him! If your father truly encountered Jesus as he said, he's most likely been praying for you, so it just may happen....and you'll see as St. Paul did just how much one suffers for Christ's sake, but with great joy!
After Saul was knocked to the ground and was blinded, Jesus said to him:"But arise, and stand upon thy feet: for to this end have I appeared unto thee, to appoint thee a minister and a witness both of the things wherein thou hast seen Me, and of the things wherein I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom I send thee, to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in Me." ~ Acts 26:16-18
Ananias did not want to go near Saul to lay hands on him as Jesus asked him to because he knew Saul was killing Christians, but Jesus told him:" Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and the Lord said unto him in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go to the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one named Saul, a man of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth; and he hath seen a man named Ananias coming in, and laying his hands on him, that he might receive his sight. But Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard from many of this man, how much evil he did to thy saints at Jerusalem: and here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call upon Thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel: for I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake." ~ Acts 9:10-16
Bet if you hear Jesus speak to you now, you won't be running to be psychoanalyzed but will instead run to the Scriptures to remind yourself of what this says!
God bless you
Jun 5 17 1:37 PM
Midgiel952 wrote:BTW, MN, how do you account for the fact that as Saul was having a vision of a guy named Ananias coming towards him to lay hands on him at the same time Jesus was telling Ananias to go lay hands on Saul? Do you think they were both hallucinating at the same time about the same thing?
God bless you
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