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May 28 17 2:02 PM
IWWG wrote:Not to be religious but just saying.
May 28 17 2:59 PM
May 28 17 4:08 PM
Roll out a map of the world and have a look. Africa is a mess with
corruption the watchword of the day. Aid comes in to help starving
people and much of it ends up in somebody's pocket. Today in Latin
America mining companies are paying bribes and displacing the poor from
their lands and polluting the water in the name of profit. I am ashamed
to say that most of thsoe mining companies are Canadian. Companies are
buying up water rights and fencing of the source demanding that the
subsistence farmer buy it. Can't pay? Too bad. Nestle's is buying up
water rights around the world and the CEO has said that water is a
commodity, not a right and it all happens by bribing officials who could
care less about what happens to the people. I could go on, but you see
Let's face it, our western civilization is in rapid decline and Asia is
the next to ascent to the top of the heap namely China and India.
Nothing lasts forever and our civilization is no exception. As Rome
became more decadent and undisciplined it weakened and we are on the
same path, although the end will come faster for us because of
technology. I say all this without rancor, it is what it is, history
unfolding before our eyes. It is only natural that we will deny it until
the end, but it will end.
May 28 17 4:14 PM
I think you want to call Trump voters stupid and compare Trump to Hitler
and yet, you want the respect that comes from not doing those things.
May 28 17 4:52 PM
Argy wrote:This exposure is part of the reason for your pessimism, but it is a real driving force in cleaning things up.
May 28 17 4:56 PM
May 28 17 5:18 PM
]I think most of the world think people who voted for Trump were stupid to do so
I thank you for your honesty. This thread needed a breath of it.
Not is the sense that they lack intelligence, but in the sense that it was
pretty obvious to most people that a Trump election was a potential
We had a choice to make. Choose one or the other. Or none. The people who voted as I did won the election and we are not interested in the sanctimonious, self deluded pronouncements of the losers as to just how to analyze the basic human faults in us that led to your loss. Facile admissions that you are part of the same humanity, don't cut it. And the arrogance of expecting anyone to believe that this OP was only an introduction into some more sophisticated discussion of human frailty is just offensive. It was anti-trump rant and an insult to any Trump voter who read it. Then, it was even more insulting to pretend it didn't happen.
I am interested in why some intelligent people voted for him.
Why did you support him, and do you think he is delivering on what you voted
If you want that you are free to open a thread in the POLITICAL forum. This thread is an affront to the intelligence of all involved. It's a bunch of smug liberal bullshit.
May 28 17 6:59 PM
We had a choice to make. Choose one or the other. Or none. The people
who voted as I did won the election and we are not interested in the
sanctimonious, self deluded pronouncements of the losers as to just how
to analyze the basic human faults in us that led to your loss.
Facile admissions that you are part of the same humanity, don't cut it.
And the arrogance of expecting anyone to believe that this OP was only
an introduction into some more sophisticated discussion of human frailty
is just offensive. It was anti-trump rant and an insult to any Trump
voter who read it. Then, it was even more insulting to pretend it didn't
...This thread is an affront to the intelligence of all involved. It's a bunch of smug liberal bullshit.
May 28 17 7:03 PM
A map of the most lawless countries in the world
May 28 17 7:38 PM
May 28 17 8:00 PM
May 28 17 8:24 PM
ScottDStuart wrote:Yeah, f&%k you. ...You are, as I have pointed out so many times before, utterly delusional.
I have an idea:
Let's reflect on the human condition of those who simply cannot imagine
that those who disagree with them do so not because of some defect,
shortcoming, failure or malice and instead do it for good thoughtful
reasons? No need to contemplate any individual or species-wide tendency
to stupidity. Just a recognition that these are complex subject about
which, as the saying goes, ...thoughtful people can and do, disagree."
May 28 17 8:30 PM
May 28 17 10:43 PM
May 29 17 2:51 AM
it is about the human race as a whole. I thought it might be just a
little too philosophical for the forum and it appears I was right. That
is not a reflection on your or anyone else's intellectual ability. It
just isn't appropriate for the forum.
May 29 17 8:59 AM
May 29 17 11:04 AM
May 29 17 11:09 AM
"You are the one making this about President Trump. "
Nonsense. You wrote:
"As a species, collectively, we are not very smart. ..... Donald Trump’s ascent to the White House is a prime example."
Your entire OP is about Trump.
I asked if you actually believed at the time that Trump could build a wall paid for by Mexico, ban all Muslims, scrap NAFTA, that illegal immigrants were all rapists and criminals. You didn't answer,
Yes, you started a political thread in the religious forum and you are asking me these questions because, as you said in your OP, these are examples of how "not very smart" people can really be. As if YOU have ruled on these issues and anyone who disgrees is just an example of what you are talking about. You sound like Gary when he talks about Catholicism.
I am not an American and don't have a horse in the race but I listen to the rhetoric and watch the confusion in the White House and certainly find it a cause to worry. Don't you?
Ask these questions in the political forum. And you do have a dog in this fight, ITS YOUR THREAD.
Hum, I believe you have me mixed up with someone else I don't recall referring to Trump as Hitlerian as I do not believe he is, not even close.
I do not have you mixed up with with someone else. As I told Gary, I remember just about everything that someone writes to me. I see words and phrases in my head like music. I can go and shift through the political forum and find it for you if you like. You not only wanted to use the term, despite your denials that you were comparing him to Hitler, and you gave an example of a Canadian politician that you also insist used "Hitlerian tactics".
I wonder how many people were not voting for Trump, but voting against Clinton. I am glad I didn't have to choose.
So, with this being said, I hope you can understand why Trump bashers who posit deep human shortcomings as the reason people voted for him to be, let's say.....more than a little annoying?
> I think you want to call Trump voters stupid and compare Trump to Hitler and yet, you want the respect that comes from not doing those things.
Please reference the post where I compared Trump to Hitler I would really like to go back and read it if it exists.
Using the term "Hitlerian" is comparing Trump to Hitler. Even while you claim that you are not comparing Trump to Hitler. Saying that Trumps election is an example of how stupid people can be is calling Trump voters stupid no matter how much you pretend it is not. I will find the place where you defended your use of "Hitlerian" if you like. Of course, if you insist that using the term doesn't mean a comparison,...then I suppose my pont is made and there is no point.
I have gone out of my way to try to be respectful referring to him as President Trump where appropriate.
Okay. Suppose for a moment that I have already taken the time to find your defense of the word "Hitlerian", do you believe that someone is going out of their way to be respectful if they used this phrase:
"The Hitlerian President Trump whose election is a prime example of how we are not very bright as a species"
"As a Canadian his threats regarding trade..."
Burke, I understand that you have serious concerns and disgreements with President Trump. You have a right to. And, I wouldn't even argue that you are wrong on all counts. Heck, I had a moment of real, gut wrenching concern over something he did last week. I get it.
Let me repeat, this is not about the U.S., Trump, Canada, or any other specific nation, it is about the human race as a whole. I thought it might be just a little too philosophical for the forum and it appears I was right. That is not a reflection on your or anyone else's intellectual ability. It just isn't appropriate for the forum.
This may be the discussion you wanted to have, Burke, but the way you introduced it makes your insistances and assurances about Trump and his voters rather empty. I wonder if you, being a self reflective type of guy, will consider that if I can show you where you defended the term "Hitlerian" in regard to Trump? I am somewhat suprised to hear you deny this and it makes me wonder if you have really considered if everything I am saying here is actually correct?
Remember if, minus the Trump references, your basic philosophical premise is true, and people can be swayed into believing nonsense from a gifted orator and a confusing political battle, then the reverse is also true. People can be swayed into irrational levels of opposition to a person or idea. I can not imagine a senario where I would defend the use of a term like "Hitlerian" and then forget that I did it.
I hope you understand, Burke, that I don't dislike you, I am not mad at you, I certainly don't think you are lying (never!) and I really do respect your opinions and your participation here. I just wonder if the current political scene hasn't got peoples heads so full of steam that we are not thinking straight?
Say the word and I will find the thread...
May 29 17 12:03 PM
May 29 17 2:50 PM
Argy Lacedom wrote:A map of the most lawless countries in the worldMidgie, that might be relevant if you could contrast it to what the world was like 100 or 2000 years ago. As it stands, it is just a snapshot; it gives no idea of the trends. If you look at the overall statistics I think it is pretty obvious that the world is a better place for more people than it was even 100 years ago.
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