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Apr 13 17 12:10 AM
Midgiel952 wrote:Argy, the fear of the Lord was truly the beginning of wisdom for me. I had always believed in God as a child and I knew devils existed, but hell was not something I ever dwelled on or really gave much thought to. It wasn't until after the sudden deaths of my mother and aunt that I really began to think about death. During this period, I read the Apocalypse - the very first Book of the Bible I read from start to finish. Wow! It was then I began to give hell much thought and I truly hungered and thirsted for God's Righteousness because I did not want to go there! There's a promise of blessing in Revelation to those who read the Book...and boy, did it turn out to be a wonderful blessing for me! The fear of God was indeed the "beginning" of wisdom for me.
God bless you
Apr 13 17 9:15 AM
The beginning of wisdom for me would be when somebody begins to question everything they have been taught; not because they want to reject everything they believe but only because they desire a deeper understanding of it.
"If you don't struggle with your faith, then what you believe in is the idea of God, and not God."
- Pope John Paul II
We are Christians only if we encounter Christ... Only in this personal relationship with Christ, only in this encounter with the Risen One do we really become Christians... Therefore, let us pray to the Lord to enlighten us, so that, in our world, he will grant us the encounter with his presence, and thus give us a lively faith, an open heart, and great charity for all, capable of renewing the world."
- Pope Benedict XVI, Vatican City, Sept. 3, 2008
"It is less possible than ever today to stop at a Christian faith that is superficial or that you have merely because everyone else does; times, as you well know, have changed. The increase in culture, the continual influence of the mass media, knowledge of past and present human events, increased sensitivity and greater demand for certainty and clarity on fundamental truths, the massive presence in society and in culture of atheistic, agnostic, and even anti-Christian conceptions, call for a personal faith: a faith, that is, sought with longing for the truth, and then put completely into practice in life.
That is to say, it is necessary to arrive at a clear and certain conviction of the truth of one's Christian faith, namely, in the first place, the historicity and divinity of Christ, and the mission of the Church willed and founded by him.
When one is really convinced that Jesus is the Word Incarnate and is still present in the Church, then one accepts his "word" completely, because it is a divine word that does not deceive, that does not contradict itself, and that gives us the true and only meaning of life and eternity. He alone, in fact, has words of eternal life! He alone is the way, the truth, and the life!"
~ The Way of Christ (pages 23-24)
Apr 14 17 1:01 PM
John Lennon (Singer): Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said: 'Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that.. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him' (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.
I am a Beatlemaniac. I must say that John Lennon clarified what he meant when he said that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus. He said he didn't intend to suggest they were greater or in any way more important than Jesus. Quite the contrary. He was being ironic. He was, in a way, lamenting that kids seemed to be paying more attention to the Beatles than to Jesus. It was a comment on the absurdity of "beatlemania". His tragic murder happened many, many years after this "greater then Jesus" controversy.
You and I can take heart that John Lennon's favorite movie was "Jesus of Nazareth" starring Robert Powell. The Person of Jesus shines through to the hearts of all people of good will. And God will forgive all the impertinent comments uttered in ignorance by these individuals.
Apr 14 17 1:05 PM
Apr 15 17 3:43 AM
ScottDStuart wrote:Fear of the Lord is not the beginning of wisdom.
I would suggest that this statement from the bible "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" means knowledge that the Lord exists. Logically, if He does in fact exist, then that realization on our part would be the beginning of understanding the world in a new way. I think this is what is meant by the passage.
Apr 15 17 8:48 AM
Apr 15 17 8:51 AM
ScottDStuart wrote:You and I can take heart that John Lennon's favorite movie was "Jesus of Nazareth" starring Robert Powell.
Apr 15 17 8:55 AM
Apr 15 17 9:10 AM
Scott wrote:]Nothing in the Bible is logical proof that a god exists. This book was written by people who already believed in this god. Nobody knows whether or not some kind of god exists, especially not these sheepherders and fishermen who were probably illiterate. The story of Jesus is so similar to other religious ideas that existed around the same time that one has to wonder why everybody eventually chose this confused mixture of beliefs out of all the other similar ones.
In a slightly alternate universe you might be telling me about how great the god Mithras is, and I would be saying that this god doesn't exist for the same reasons
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Apr 15 17 9:53 AM
I believe that one of the ways that Satan leads us away from the truth is to fail to see the humanity, goodness and desires of the heart in others.
Apr 15 17 10:31 AM
THE POWER OF THE CROSS
"What is Satan's device in this day?...What is the world's religion now? It has taken the brighter side of the Gospel -- its tidings of comfort, its precepts of love; all darker, deeper views of man's condition and prospects being comparatively forgotten. This is the religion natural to a civilized age, and well has Satan dressed and completed it into an idol of the Truth...[Those] fearful images of Divine wrath with which the Scriptures abound...are explained away. Every thing is bright and cheerful. Religion is pleasant and easy...."
Apr 15 17 6:54 PM
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Apr 16 17 8:49 PM
John Lennon, Plastic Ono Band
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
Apr 16 17 8:52 PM
Argy Lacedom wrote:>>See, that's your problem, Scott. Like the Pharisees, you want proof before you'll believe, but with God we must believe first and then we'll get the proof.
Well, Midgie, that's not true, is it? I believed but received no proof - just crickets when I tried to communicate. As a result, I do not believe any longer.
Apr 16 17 9:44 PM
Midgiel952 wrote:SDS, if you're telling people to imagine there is no heaven or hell, then that's a lie, isn't it?
Apr 16 17 9:50 PM
I don't know what was in your heart, Argy.
Apr 17 17 8:55 AM
Argy Lacedom wrote:I don't know what was in your heart, Argy.Well, thank you for being honest Midgie. Many Christians who I tell my story to try to blame me for not putting enough effort into trying to believe. They do not know how hard I tried. I think it is a defence mechanism. They can't imagine there is anything wrong with their god, so they have to blame me. The fact is, I am now an atheist because of my attempts to communicate with god.
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